Reza Khadjavi of Motion interviews Courtney Alexander of Foxwell Digital about the creative process in paid advertising. Courtney discusses her team's approach to creative planning (primarily UGC), how workflows differ by client, and shares a case study where a single UGC testimonial video scaled a brand from $2,000/week at 1.5–2x ROAS to $30,000/week at 3x ROAS. She also explains how her team uses Motion to identify which creative formats (video vs. carousel) are working to inform fall and Black Friday campaign planning.
Creative is more important than targeting because the user only sees the creative.
Consumers increasingly want to see real, unfiltered, non-Photoshopped product content.
One UGC influencer testimonial video scaled a client from $2,000/week at 1.5–2x ROAS to $30,000/week at 3x ROAS, selling the product out.
Courtney has been in digital marketing for about nine years and in ad buying for about three years.
Motion's data (e.g., videos vs. carousels performance) is used to drive broader creative strategy, including fall and Black Friday campaign planning.
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Courtney Alexander: I always say, you know, you can have the best targeting in the entire world, but the user only sees this one piece of creative. And so if that creative isn't what hits, then it doesn't matter how perfect your, you know, manual bids are and how creative your audiences are. If that creative doesn't hit with them, then nothing else matters.
Reza Khadjavi: Hi everybody. I'm Reza and today I'm joined by Courtney Alexander, uh, as part of a series of conversations we'll be having with media buyers around the creative process in paid advertising.
Reza Khadjavi: Thanks for joining us today, Courtney.
Courtney Alexander: Of course. Thank you so much for having me.
Reza Khadjavi: Yeah, my pleasure. If, if we can start off by maybe just introducing yourself to everybody and, uh, talking a little bit about the work that you do day to day.
Courtney Alexander: Of course. So as Reza mentioned, my name is Courtney Alexander and I work primarily with Foxwell Digital quite a bit, um, helping them with their courses. I'm sure you've seen, um, Andrew Foxwell's courses and so we do courses, we do audits, we do, um, some ads management and then I also run my own ads management company. And so I do a lot of direct to consumer advertising, um, mostly Facebook and Instagram, also work a little bit on Snapchat, a little bit on email. So, um, I've been doing this for about nine years now in terms of digital marketing and then I've been in the ad buying space for about three years now.
Reza Khadjavi: Awesome. Rumor has it you play a big role in the, uh, in the newsletter that goes out by the Foxwell team.
Courtney Alexander: I may or may not be the guy behind the curtain on the newsletter. Um, but yeah, work on that as well. I forgot to mention that, but, um, we have a small, uh, little team at Foxwell Digital between Andrew, Shane and I and so, uh, together I think we all bring a really cool different level of experience and expertise. Um, fun fact, I used to be in-house at a brand and Andrew and Shane were my ad buyers. So that's how I actually got, uh, introduced into the ad buying space and, um, yeah, Andrew and Shane were just taking me under their wings since I came out on my own.
Reza Khadjavi: Amazing. Well, I think everybody in the industry is quite familiar with, uh, with the Foxwell Digital team and really excited to, to dig in a little bit further to understand the creative process on your team. So with, you know, the, the rise of creative becoming super important in paid advertising, we can talk about that a little bit, but I think most of the, most people are quite familiar with the fact that, you know, creative is very top of mind for everyone these days. And so I wanted to get a, get a sense of how does your team approach creative? So the entire, if you think of the entire workflow around creative when it comes to like planning and working with designers and testing and iterating, wondering if you can paint us a picture of what that creative workflow process looks like for you and your team and does it differ from client to client? And, uh, yeah, would love to hear how that works for your team.
Courtney Alexander: Yeah, definitely. I feel like, um, you know, anytime a marketer doesn't answer with it depends, um, and that every client is different, I don't trust them. Um, so every client is completely different. Every product, even if you have two products in the same industry, going to be completely different. So, um, definitely approach everything differently. Um, I would say right now a lot of it that we're, a lot of what we're focusing on is UGC and then it's just a matter of figuring out what type of UGC and then like a lot of other levers you can pull from there. Um, you know, I feel like consumers are really wanting to see real things. They're wanting to see how the product is actually going to look when it arrives at their house. They want to, you know, they don't want filtered pictures. I think, you know, this whole movement of a non-Photoshopped world and a non-edited world and and kind of seeing these things, I think that's really where creative is heading. Um, and so, you know, from a matter of the type of creative that we're using for all these different brands, um, you know, every type of brand is different. Every type of creative is going to be different, but, you know, I think finding that creative that really hits is what, um, is really going to make your brand go to the next level in an advertising space. I had one brand the other day, um, we had, we've been working on, you know, testing different creative and trying all these different things. It's a great product and we just couldn't get anything to hit. And we found this one, um, like influencer UGC testimonial video and I was like, I like it. I like it a lot. Let's try it in different places. And this ad literally took off. We went from spending $2,000 a week on like a 1.5 to 2X ROAS to spending $30,000 on a 3X ROAS from this one ad. So much so that the product sold out. We had to start changing the ads because they, you know, now we were on back order. And so that really is just a testament to how important creative is. Um, I always say, you know, you can have the best targeting in the entire world, but the user only sees this one piece of creative. And so if that creative isn't what hits, then it doesn't matter how perfect your, you know, manual bids are and how creative your audiences are. If that creative doesn't hit with them, then nothing else matters.
Reza Khadjavi: Yeah, yeah. And, and what does it look like from a, from a workflow standpoint? So when you want to let's say, um, spin up a new creative, are you working with different creative freelancers? Are the brands providing it? How does, how do the conversations happen, whether they're in like meetings or emails or like, you know, walk us through how do you go from like thinking about what creative you want to produce next and and getting that done and the kind of back and forth that happens with the client and or the creative team? What does that, what does all that look like for you?
Courtney Alexander: Yeah, I love being like that type of creative direction from the ad buying side. Um, usually these conversations happen in maybe like a monthly brainstorm. Um, I usually start with, you know, brainstorming with my own team. So whether it's with Andrew and Shane or whether it's my colleague on my side, um, I always try to like have those conversations and it's just like a, you know, spitballing, what do we think is going to work? What have we seen? I'm all the time screenshotting ads on my own Instagram of, I love this. How can I make this, you know, work for a brand that I see? So it's a lot of just inspiration, a lot of, you know, I click on every ad ever. I'm sure Facebook's algorithm thinks I'm like the most, you know, avid shopper ever, but I want to see these ads and I want to see how they're converting and I want to see why I'm being targeted and those types of things. So first is brainstorming, um, really just put yourself in the shoes of who the consumer is, whether it's, whether I'm the target audience or not, what are they looking for? What can I do? So it's brainstorming and then every brand is a little bit different in terms of creative, um, creation and like how we create that. Sometimes I've had brands send me products and I create the UGC because I know what I'm looking for and I know what's working. Um, or I've, you know, to where, you know, I send them a shot list and I say, this is what I'm wanting, here's some inspiration photos, here's some, you know, other examples of ads that I've seen that I like. Um, this is what I'd like you to take. Or, you know, and then sometimes we have other brands that kind of do their all creative in-house. And so they're sending me content, but still I might say, hey, the next time you go to this photo shoot, can you take some photos with an iPhone? Can you take a boomerang? Can you take, you know, some stop motion? Can you do this? And so it's a lot of, um, planning ahead of time and saying this is what we're seeing is working. But then, I mean, honestly, like we've been using Motion a lot to really determine what is working and not necessarily just with specific ad, but then breaking it out to say videos are working better or carousels are working better and then kind of using that information to then determine the rest of the creative strategy. So now, now that we've had Motion for a few months, you know, we've started actually using this information to then plan out, you know, the fall campaign, the Black Friday campaign and like really thinking ahead, um, to say this is what's working and this is what we want to keep trying. And then obviously still testing other things. So it's not just a, this is what's always going to work for the rest of our lives in this account. Um, but really using the data to then drive the rest of the strategy.
Reza Khadjavi: Awesome. Great. Courtney, this was super helpful. Appreciate your time today. Where can people find you online if they want to find you or or the Foxwell Digital team?
Courtney Alexander: Of course. Well, obviously foxwelldigital.com, that's there. Uh, foxwelldigital.com/email, sign up for our email. Um, and I'm on Twitter. It's Court F Alexander.
Reza Khadjavi: Awesome. Great. Thank you so much, Courtney. Appreciate your time.
Courtney Alexander: Thank you.